Practice

topic posted Wed, December 19, 2007 - 3:56 PM by  Dani
Ok guys, I'm new. I mean so new, I'm waiting for my next paycheck to buy and instructional video new. I used to twirl flag in highschool...don't know if that's gonna help me out or not. I realize, it will be a long, long time before I work up to fire, but here's the question I have. I live in a small town, the kind where the cops go looking for stuff to do. When you do get to fire...where do you practice without the neighbors calling the cops on you fearful you're gonna burn the house down..or calling in a UFO report while looking out the window with binocculars?
posted by:
Dani
Kentucky
  • Re: Practice

    Wed, December 19, 2007 - 4:06 PM
    I've lived in fire friendly and not-so-friendly places, but either way, you still basically end up with two choices. Very open, or way, way underground (as in, not your backyard). If you are doing it openly (or publicly), a chat with the local fire marshal would likely be a good idea, if the cops show up, but you are legit, you can tell them (and I have done this) that it is unsafe for them to interfere with what you are doing, you'll chat with them when the wicks burn out. If you have somewhere so remote that nobody will know, then nobody will know.

    Oh, and when you are ready for fire make sure your first time you have someone experienced around.
    • Re: Practice

      Wed, December 19, 2007 - 5:19 PM
      I'd say always spin fire with someone around.

      you get a sense of confidence as you do a few burns and that's when things go wrong.
      The only time I have lit myself is the second time I burned.

      • Re: Practice

        Wed, December 19, 2007 - 5:40 PM
        I'm just saying someone around who has some experience with fire.

        Besides, lighting yourself on fire isn't that big of a deal if you react correctly and are not wearing synthetics.
        • Re: Practice

          Thu, December 20, 2007 - 6:16 AM
          Not in your backyard Silence? It's private property and I'm fairly certain they can't do anything.
          This one time we were practicing and a neighbor yelled "I'm calling the cops" or something, like an hour later a couple of cops show up and look over the gate and say "We heard there are fire balls coming from over here, We're not really sure whats up but we wanted to see how you guys do it" or something like that hah

          We practice in our backyards out here, with the occasinal renagade burn. Cops have never crashed a park burn but from what i hear they just tell you to put it out. I love the idea of "Hold on officer, its a little to dangerous to talk to you at the moment lol.
          • Re: Practice

            Thu, December 20, 2007 - 8:12 AM
            LOL that's awesome, thanks for the advice guys. Don't suppose they'd tell you to put your hands in the air as you're spinning would they :p
          • Re: Practice

            Thu, December 20, 2007 - 10:39 AM
            We've actually had some pretty negative po-po experiences, though none recently. Some cities do actually have laws that would apply to firespinning, such as berkeley, which has a law about open flames larger than 6 inches, which was to prevent people from marching with lit torches on may day. Even if there is nothing specific, they cops can always find something to bust you for, noise, 'disorderly conduct', certainly if people are smoking or something.

            In Davis, where I live, the fire marshal (his name is actually bill) is very pro fire, be it open pit BBWs, bonfires, or spinning. Once we spoke with him, the cops were only a problem for us when we had our music too loud (and maybe it actually was), though they did try to shut us down in the park or on the plaza, to which we just told them that they were interfering with us, and it was creating a hazard. The problem is, if your talk to the marshal, and he says no, then you are more fucked than you would be if you never asked.
  • Re: Practice

    Thu, December 20, 2007 - 1:10 PM
    I don't know your exact situation, but I live in a small town too and have a different odd hobby -- atlatl (spear-throwing). I just talked to the cops in town, explained what it was and what my safety precautions were, and they were cool with it, just wanted to make sure I knew what I was doing and wasn't endangering anyone.
  • Re: Practice

    Thu, December 20, 2007 - 3:19 PM
    check with your city laws. I know in Charlotte where I grew up there were laws about burning within city limits, including bonfires, so I'm going to assume that means spinning as well. Now that we're in a serious drought there's no open flame of any kind outside.
    • Re: Practice

      Sun, December 23, 2007 - 3:31 PM
      i'm in charlotte. We burn and spin on the tennis courts at my friends apartment with no worries.
  • Re: Practice

    Fri, December 21, 2007 - 4:35 PM
    I just made my makeshift staff- I already know a few moves that I have been practicing- but I still have to get an isntructional video. There is a fellow tribe member named Suibom- his profile recommends tutorials- it's where I am going to reference. If you see him in amy message boards, just ask him. He's very helpful.
    I just saw some fire staffers and poi dancers a week ago in Long Beach- and it was so inspirational!
    There were two dancers and they had some hula hoops lit up with fire too- so great!
    • Re: Practice

      Thu, December 27, 2007 - 5:17 AM
      I appreciate everyone's response. The info has been very helpful..now I just have one more question..I was like whoo hoooo gonna spin fire gonna learn to spin fire..and then..I visited the burn injury tribe...whhoa...how many of you have been hurt that bad from spinning?..very sobering tribe
      • Re: Practice

        Thu, December 27, 2007 - 8:56 AM
        If you're going to spin fire, you're going to get burned. Plain and simple. Really, if you focus your mind away from the fire aspect and more towards the prop manipulation and body movement aspect, you'll realize that fire isn't really all that necessary. Enjoying spinning for spinning sake can heighten the enjoyment of the times that you do light up and lessen the chance of injury.

        Fire is limiting, and can actually be fairly boring at times. If you can make the object look good without the fire, then adding fire to the mix makes it that much more amazing. Sorry, don't mean to be preachy, I just figure it'd be a shame if you limit yourself by being too fire-centric.

        Firstly, fire is mostly manageable. If you take the proper precautions and use less injury prone tools then you'll probably not experience much more than burnt hair. Next, I must say I've got much worse burns with staff than any other prop I've used. Mostly due to the fact that I use aluminum tubing and do contact staff. I have a nice 2"ish diameter burn scar under my arm, a somewhat long burn scar on my neck (same location burnt on two separate incidents.. sigh) and various other miscellaneous scars (I say scars, but they are only discolorations at this point).

        That being said, while they are usually superficial 2nd degree burns, they are manageable without issue with care and attention. Always carry a burn kit with you if you plan to light up. If you get a decent burn, quit spinning. The ambient heat can cause the damage to get worse. The really bad burns come from fuel spillage/transfers or ignition of poor choice of clothing.

        As far as tools, since you are talking about staff, the best way to limit exposure is to use a wooden staff (wrap the wicking around aluminum tape or a metal sheath) and bury the screws deep or fold kevlar over them and sew it down. If you use a metal staff, be sure to cap the ends with dowel to a) give the wicking screws something solid to bite into, b) give more of a heat sink and c) prevent the fire and hot air from travelling through the tubing, causing it to heat up much hotter and quicker. My own setup is an aluminum staff with dowels inserted into the ends and the kevlar wrapped over the screws and sewed down. Then I use white glue (elmer's type) slathered on the threads to help protect them from degrading too quickly. I occasionally have to resew it.

        Be sure to wear mostly (if not purely) organic clothing and test it before lighting up if possible. Generally there is a 3 second flame test where you hold a flame to the garment for 3 seconds to see what it does, it should not melt or ignite. Also, about the first 1/5th (ish) of the burn time is the most dangerous for fuel transfer (depending on how you treat fuel spinoff). Be especially cautious of any impacts the wicks have with your body, as the fuel may transfer to the impact point and ignite it. It's easy enough to put it out if you're paying attention and can reach the area. From about mid back to your neck is the highest danger point, since you can't see if your lit and it's hard to reach to put it out.

        Bah, I'm rambling.. I hope that helps a bit. Feel free to ask if you have any questions. Make sure to check out the "Fire Arts FAQ" and "Fire Arts Education and Equipment tribes" for more info, and my profile contains tutorial links and a decent listing of tribes for fire arts.

        Peace,
        - Sui
        • Re: Practice

          Thu, December 27, 2007 - 3:29 PM
          That was rambling Sui, that was a big help in the area of risk reduction.

          One of the reasons fire is fun is because not everyone is brave enough to do it. Respect the fire and you'll get burned a little. And those burns heal quickly.

          Chicks dig scars.
          • Re: Practice

            Thu, December 27, 2007 - 4:41 PM
            Major burns are pretty rare, and typically inovle a major mistake. The little burns aren't that bad, once you've had one or two you won't worry much about them.
        • Re: Practice

          Thu, December 27, 2007 - 5:29 PM
          Sui, your so cool. i want to meet you. Going to FireDrums?


          thats not rambling that is all very good information.
          • Re: Practice

            Sun, December 30, 2007 - 6:43 PM
            Word Sui. All very sage advice. I couldn't agree more with the whole "fire-centric" part. 9 times out of 10, whether you're practicing or just showing your friends some moves, you won't be spinning with fire, so you might as well start thinking of other things you can spin with other than shadows and air.

            Unless you can think of a really cool shadow and air staff.
  • Re: Practice

    Fri, April 11, 2008 - 10:13 PM
    I'm new to staff as well... I also really want to take my time working up to spinning fire, but just look at all the cool LED stuff that's available! Cool effects in the dark, without any of the danger. I realize it doesn't quite have that primal feel, but my girlfriend is less apt to get nervy if I'm enjoying myself just as much with a light-up staff.

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